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052: Using Human Design Types for Teams with Erin Claire Jones

Learn how to use Human Design types in your business to maximize the success of your team, improve communication and operations, and create fulfillment for everyone!

Want to Apply Human Design Types to Your Business?

What if you had a framework or tool to help you and your team optimize your energy and performance, make it easier and more effective to communicate, and help you all build the business and careers of your dreams?

That’s exactly what’s possible with Human Design!

Human Design sheds light on your emotional, psychological and energetic makeup, giving you the self-awareness and tools to align with your nature and step into your highest potential in every area of your life — in your career, partnership and relationships. Not only does it offer unparalleled insight into your unique nature, it equips you with self-sufficient tools you can use for life to consistently perform at the top of your personal and professional game.

That’s why Human Design is SO crucial when it comes to building and managing a team. When we apply this wisdom and see how everyone’s unique design works both independently and together, we then have the tools to best support our communication, workflow, and overall satisfaction and success.

Plus, it’s a useful lens to use when hiring, delegating, scheduling, and being able to honor the unique talents and energies that everyone on your team brings to the table.

Using the framework of Human Design in teams and business to create success and fulfillment

My guest today, Erin Claire Jones, uses Human Design to help thousands of individuals and companies step into their work and their lives as their truest selves and to their highest potential. Her work as a guide, coach, and speaker has attracted a growing community of over 50,000 people who turn to her teachings for practical tools, digestible tips, and deeper self-knowledge they can access to live with greater ease and authenticity every single day.

With work featured in Forbes, mindbodygreen, Well&Good, and Nylon; words shared on over 60 podcasts such as Almost30, That’s So Retrograde, Highest Self, and Chatty Broads; and conversations with crowds of hundreds around the world, Erin’s insights are highly sought-after because they make Human Design pragmatic, tangible, accessible — and immediately applicable to everyday life.

What you’ll learn in this episode:

  • What Human Design type is best suited to be an entrepreneur
  • How we should build out our teams based on our Human Design
  • What roles, positions, or tasks are best for each type
  • What your ‘authority’ means in Human Design and how to use it to make decisions
  • How to interpret your defined vs. undefined centers, and what that means for how you show up in your business

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FAQs About Human Design

What is Human Design?

Like Myers-Briggs, the Enneagram, and many other profiling systems, Human Design is a personality model used to dive deeper in the understanding of the self. It doesn’t tell you who you are, but rather helps you align with your natural energy, gifts, and way of living life. Human Design combines layers of ancient modalities like the Sephirot of the Kabbalah, the Hindu-Brahmin Chakra system, the Chinese I’Ching, and Western Astrology with modern sciences like Biochemistry, Astronomy, Quantum Mechanics, and Genetics.

What are the Human Design types?

There are five types in the human design system: Generators, Manifesting Generators, Manifestors, Projectors, and Reflectors.

Where do I find my Human Design chart?

You can look up your Human Design chart here.

Kate Kordsmeier 0:00

Welcome back

to the Success with Soul podcast. I'm your host, Kate Kordsmeier. And today we are talking all things team. Now, I'm going to just come right out and say this team hiring, firing, retaining, keeping everybody happy, making sure you've got the right person in the right seat, figuring out salary, and bonus and commission. And if you should even do those things, and profit sharing and it is hard. It is actually the hardest part of owning your own business, and my experience. So I'm really excited to dive in to all things team today, but we're gonna approach it from a little bit of a different perspective. I've got Erin Claire Jones here, and she is a Human Design expert. Now, if you remember from Episode 25 Human Design is a synthesis of ancient wisdom and modern science that sheds light on a person's energetic makeup as well as specific tools they can use to live at their happiest, healthiest, highest potential. It's a little bit woo, but a lot backed by science. And we're going to look at human design today from this team perspective. So of course, we're going to talk about all of the different types and as entrepreneurs how knowing our type and understanding the other pieces of human design can impact our work, help us figure out where we need support. But also we're going to look at the people on our teams. And is it better to have people that are the same type are different does it matter in terms of what you delegate certain tasks for certain types, etc, and also how to use Human Design to diagnose team issues. Thankfully, we've got Erin Claire Jones here, as I said before, who is going to help us understand human design, I love the way that she makes it super practical and accessible and just tangible. It's immediately applicable to everyday life, especially for something like human design, which if you've ever looked at your chart can be a little bit crazy. Erin has worked with over 10,000 people and companies to help them step into their work and their lives as their truest selves and to their highest potential. And her work as a guide, coach and speaker has attracted over 50,000 people into her community and she's been featured in places like Forbes, mind body green, well, and good and nylon. So I cannot wait to dive into this episode with y'all today. Let's do it. You're listening to the Success with Soul podcast with Kate Kordsmeier x journalists turned CEO of a multi six figure blog in online business. But it wasn't that long ago that Kate was a struggling entrepreneur who lacked confidence, clarity, and let's be honest money. But all those failures, experiments and lessons learned helped Kate create a thriving business that impacts 1000s and brings freedom, flexibility and fulfillment to her life. If you're ready to do the same and make something happen with holistic, soulful, step by step strategies from Kate and other experts, you're in the right place. here's your host, writer, educator, Mom, recovering perfectionist, bookworm and sushi connoisseur, Kate Kordsmeier. Hey, Erin, welcome to the show.

Erin Claire Jones 3:12

Hi, so good to be here. Thanks for having me.

Kate Kordsmeier 3:15

Yes, I am obsessed with All Things personality assessments. And we've had some Myers Briggs experts on the show and enneagram and you know, all the all the different things. And we've had one other human design expert, but I'm pumped to really dig deep into human design today with you. Yeah,

Erin Claire Jones 3:34

I'm so happy to be here. And I love that you explore all the things are also useful. They really are.

Kate Kordsmeier 3:40

Yeah, I'm kind of a personality quiz junkie. So I love it. Um, tell us before we get into everything, how did you get into human design and create an entire business around it?

Erin Claire Jones 3:55

Yeah, I mean, it was so not the path that I thought I would end up on, you know, it wasn't really like my plan growing up. It's been very serendipitous, and unpredictable. You know, so I discovered Human Design in 2015. I live in New York, and basically was sitting at a gathering and this guy sat next to me and he's like, I'd like to look up your human design. I was like, I don't know what that is. But like, I love learning about myself, but tell me everything you know. And he basically just like, read me so clearly in a way that it felt like he was like, articulating the things that always known but had never really like allowed myself to step into. And it was just like, really, I felt like this, like tremendous sense of relief. I was, like, successful doing that, like, I've been trying so hard to be everything but that and he ended the conversation and was like, you know, I think we also like are meant to work together. And I think Human Design is not predictive in any way. But he really did kind of observe a lot of compatibility in our charts. And so I did end up working with him. So he'd been studying human design for 10 years. So he was my first teacher. Like, totally separately, I ended up in LA we reconnected and so like in 2015, we built a business together for two and a half years, specifically focused on kind of bringing Human Design to business. And it was amazing and like an unbelievable journey. But I think after a certain point, I was like, what it feels like people aren't really ready for this. Like, I was like, I can't force the world, we ready for Human Design. And also, we just had really different ways of communicating it. And so I took a break for like four or five months, I was like, No one wants to know about human design, like I'm done. And then my partner was like, Erin, they still do like, you got to just trust yourself. And so I basically launched my own practice in 2018, beginning of, and it has been a roller coaster wild journey ever since. Because the timing just like finally lined up, where it just felt like, it was like, we want to know everything. And I was like, Oh, thank God, you know. And now my boyfriend and fiance is also my business partner. So he's not a human design expert. And well, actually, he actually knows a lot. Now he could probably give all my talks, but he around kind of like the business strategic operational. So it's been an amazing journey. And I think now I work with like, 10,000 people, teams and individuals and partnerships, and it's just been like, really, more than I could have ever predicted. But I also like, yeah, I think it required me kind of trusting myself, even when the world hadn't quite caught up.

Kate Kordsmeier 6:09

That's so cool. 10,000 people is crazy impressive.

Erin Claire Jones 6:17

A lot of times, yeah.

Kate Kordsmeier 6:19

So for anybody listening in Episode 25, of the podcast we had Nikki Brafman on and she did kind of a live reading with me about my human design. But we also get did like the primer on what is human design? If you ever have gotten your chart, you might have looked at it and been like, Whoa, this is a lot, I have no idea what any of this mean, so we kind of broke down some of the fundamentals. So we're not going to do that with Erin. Today, we're going to dive a little bit deeper into some of the specifics. But if you feel like this conversation is over your head, or you don't know what we're talking about, go back and listen to Episode 25. And then come back and listen to this episode with Erin and you'll have that kind of primer in place. So let's see. Now I'm like, Alright, let's dive deep. Where do we want to go first?

Erin Claire Jones 7:10

Endless. Endless.

Kate Kordsmeier 7:12

I know, where do you feel like is the best place to start? After we everybody sort of understands there's five main types. Do you want to do like a, you know, one to two minute just like, here's the quick and dirty version?

Erin Claire Jones 7:26

Yeah, I will. And also, did you talk with Nikki about inner authority? We did talk a little bit about that, but definitely could go deeper. Okay. You know, there is like basically endless amounts of information in Human Design, like, you know, a lot of guys sit with for one session to kind of give them all the key pieces. But I can also sit with people for like 30 sessions, or 40, which I have, because there's always more to explore. So just know that we're going to be touching the surface with whatever it is that we do, you know, there's always going to be more to it. So high level of Human Design, there are five different types, generators, manifesting generators, projectors, reflectors, and manifest stirs. Each type has a strategy, which is basically how they're meant to create opportunities for themselves. And also, every person also has what we call an inner authority, how they're designed to make decisions. So if you're going to take away anything from human design, those three pieces are the most essential and can actually be so transformational, just integrating those three. Yeah, high level generators, and manifesting generators are the doers, the builders, the creators, these are the people that really have the energy and the life force to bring ideas to life. As long as they're really lit up and satisfied by what they're working on. The more lit up they are, the more power, the more energy they have, and the more they kind of uplift everyone around them. And also, the more magnetic they are to more aligned opportunities. The difference between the two is that manifesting generators are often multi passionate by nature. They often like having the energy and a lot of things at once they're gifted at moving quickly, but can skip a few steps along the way. So it's really good to actually have a balance of generators and manifesting generators in team and teams and collaborating. And generators are a bit more about mastery, doesn't mean they can't do a bajillion things. But I would really check it like, what is the thing I have the energy for right now, because their gift is really going really deep into the process. And the strategy for both of these types is basically magnetism. The idea is they're not meant to chase after anything, life is meant to kind of show up in their world. And their work is to keep their awareness open, see what shows up and kind of see what lights up their gut response. Was that responses there? That's the kind of permission to go after it and to make it happen. Yeah,

Kate Kordsmeier 9:27

so this is interesting. I'm a generator, which everything you just shared is like Yep, that's me to a tee. Do you find that entrepreneurs in general tend to be a specific type or it really can be across the board in

Erin Claire Jones 9:44

such a question, I see it across the board. I think that like I often have people be like, Okay, if I like this, do I have to be a type to do this? Like, I would never say that like only a certain type could be entrepreneurs or only a certain type could be like CEOs or I don't know, therapists, but I just think that like Depending on your type, you're probably going to do it really differently. And you're going to need very different kinds of support. So like a projector entrepreneur like me versus a generator entrepreneur, like he was gonna be so different, or manifesta reflector, you know, so so I think I've seen a definitely all across the spectrum there, but they're going to need different things. Okay,

Kate Kordsmeier 10:16

so as we're talking about type, then let's apply this to everybody listening is entrepreneurs, aspiring entrepreneurs. So this is perfect, we can kind of look at it through this lens. So how do you and I approach our entrepreneurial journey differently? And what kind of like you said, different support is needed? So you're, you're a projector? Yeah. Yeah. So

Erin Claire Jones 10:37

Well, first, just in terms of like manifesting generators and generators, I would say, as a manifesting generator, you're probably really good at like, bringing ideas to life so quickly, like that's an amazing gift that you have. But like, your gift is not the step by step process. I think like as soon as you can, getting support or people that can support you in the more step by step kind of allows you to like, bring ideas quickly, and like bring ideas to life quickly and kind of move on. Also, one other piece, I would say for manifesting generators is like, they're not really meant to stick with the same thing forever. So a lot of clients where they're like, I love coaching, I'm so into it, and like two months later, they're like, I'm done with it, like on to the next thing. So I think also as much as you can, as a manifesting generator, giving yourself permission to pivot.

Kate Kordsmeier 11:14

Is that the same? So I'm just a regular generator? Nah, man.

Erin Claire Jones 11:19

Okay. I think like, in some ways, it's similar, like, you might need to pivot a little bit less. But of course, like, if you're like, super depleted and frustrated by something like I would hand it off or let it go. I would say like, as a generator, you're also so gifted at bringing ideas to life, but I would just make sure that you're choosing to do things in a way that feels like deeply satisfying to you. Like in terms of what you're working on each day, if there's anything you can delegate that's like frustrating or depleting are draining I would, but also in terms of how like you mark it and how you podcast and how you hire like, I would do it in ways that feel like uniquely exciting to you. Like, not just like, okay, like, this is how everyone else is doing it. Let me like follow their roadmap, like your gut is your greatest guide, both as a generator and manifesting generator. So like, with every decision that you make, I would make sure that's the thing that's got to you. Yeah,

Kate Kordsmeier 12:03

that's really interesting, because I know I'm kind of jumping around here. But after I learned that I have the sacral authority, a woman on my team said, Oh, that makes so much sense. Because sometimes Kate can be really indecisive, and she can overthink everything. But if you just ask her a yes or no question, she has a gut reaction right away. So now my team knows that when I start overthinking things, and going, I don't know, we could do this, we could do that. But then I think this, somebody on my team just goes, Kate, do you want to do X or Y? And then I just boom, right there. And it was learning that was so powerful, because otherwise I could just think myself into oblivion. Yeah,

Erin Claire Jones 12:42

I like you, when I look at your design, your gut is like totally separate from your mind, you just have like these two, like totally separate circuits of energy. So it's not surprising, you've got such a powerful mind, but also can be like a little bit obsessive if you try to use it to resolve all your own stuff. And so that's a great, you know, for generators and manifesting generators, like specific Yes, no questions is so powerful, because it basically tunes you out of your head and into your gut. So even whether it's like a partner be like, do you want to eat this for dinner? This versus like, Where do you want to go for dinner? Or, you know, colleague be like, do you like this branding? Or this rather than like, what do you think we should do? is such a powerful way to connect to their truth could immediately so whatever your type is generator or manifesting generator, I would make sure that people around you are aware of and using that tool?

Kate Kordsmeier 13:22

Yeah. Okay,


So let's go back then you're a projector. So how are you different.

Erin Claire Jones 13:29

So projectors are really gifted at being like the leaders, the guys, the advisors, the teachers, but we're not here to do all the doing. And so for projectors, our energy often really operates in ebbs and flows. And we're actually kind of only meant to work like three to five hours a day. But often, because we're in a world of primarily generators and manifesting generators, we're basically always trying to keep up. And so so much of being a projector is trusting that your gift is not and how much you can do or how hard you could work but rather like and your perspective and your sensitivity to other people and, and your ability to kind of guide other people's energy. So I would say like, as a projector, entrepreneur, it is so important to kind of create spaciousness in your days and really like, learn how to honor the ebbs and flows of your energy because that's often where you are the most gifted and where you can be the most effective. I would also say like we all need support, you know, but I would say projectors especially like when you can, I would either collaborate and partner with people or kind of bring on support so that you're not getting lost in the doing. You know, I know that as a projector entrepreneur, I've actually never really done it alone. I've always had a generator or manifesting generator, business partner. I don't think that is like, required. But I would just like I think it was a real lesson for me to be like, you know what, I don't have to, like do every aspect of this business. Like, I'm really good at the Human Design. You know what I mean? And like, I want to partner with somebody that could support me all the rest. And I think like, that was a real process where it's like, my gift isn't guiding people. I'm not doing all the operational or even strategic business stuff. So that stuff is fun, but I think that I've always done it in collaboration. So I think for projector, identifying where you are the most valuable and where you feel the most recognized and bringing out support for The rest are partnering for the rest of you can

Kate Kordsmeier 15:02

love it. Okay, and then how about the

Erin Claire Jones 15:06

manifestos are the initiators These are people that are really here to get things started, get the ball rolling, not always going to do all the doing themselves, but often just to get something off the ground. So I would also give yourself permission to kind of pivot and hand things off. Rather than feeling the need to stick with something forever. Also manifests like they're very naturally entrepreneurial, because they like like having freedom and autonomy and control. They really don't like being told what to do or man as you're guided in any way. So I would make sure that in whatever career you're in, that you feel so empowered to do things in a way that works for you. And manifestos are very naturally innovative. So you might do things in a way that no one else has done. You know, but know that like, that is your gift is kind of being the first and the strategy for manifester is is really about kind of like initiating, you're here to make the first move, you're not here to wait for anything to come to you guys, I forgot to predict your strategy for projectors is basically about waiting to be invited in and recognize so as an entrepreneur, like make it your job to make yourself visible and share with people that you exist, but kind of wait for that invitation to actually bring your energy into something.

Kate Kordsmeier 16:02

Yeah. Can you talk a little more about that? Because I've heard that before? And I don't quite I can't like picture it in, in reality, what does it really look like?

Erin Claire Jones 16:11

So I do that because as a projector, you just like bring a different way of doing things that a different way of using your energy, it is so important for you to like work with and partner with people where you feel like so invited in and recognize because if you're brought into something unexpected, like a generator, it's gonna be super challenging. You don't I mean, if you initiate like our energies, projectors, it's like a little bit intense and a little bit penetrating. So people like don't want it. They're just like, No, thank you. It's too much. You know. And so I think that the first iteration of my human design company, I was like, pitching companies, I was like, I want to work with companies and I but like, it just wasn't flying. Like, of course, some of them did. But it was just like, so much resistance. And I think that this iteration of doing it independently with my partner is that like, I basically have just made it my job as a projector to just share, I shared podcast, I share an Instagram, I share newsletters, like I give talks all the time, like I just share, and basically by like just like sharing what I do in a really inspired way, like the right people will kind of resonate and invite me in. So okay, that makes sense.

Kate Kordsmeier 17:06

Yeah. So it's thinking about marketing. It's more just sharing, putting yourself out there and then letting whoever wants to come from there, rather than when you're sharing, you're just sharing information. You're not sharing, I have this course I have this program. I have this thing. Come join me.

Yeah, but you're

inviting people to join you. You're just sharing info, and then those who want to join you invite you to gender.

Erin Claire Jones 17:29

Okay, I'll often drop in at the end, like when I share like, and these are the ways that you can dive deeper if you want. Yeah, but like, in a way where just like, the opportunity is there, but it's totally up to you. But like, even as a projector, what I think of my past jobs, like they've just been so random, like somebody just be like, Oh my god, like, I just like, I want you to be part of this. And I'm like, why? Like, we don't even know each other. But it's just like always, like very strange imitation. So I think that like, it's just a really powerful way for you to enter into things, but it's not passive, right, making it your job to kind of make yourself visible letting people know that you exist, it's going to be important. Gotcha. Okay, that makes sense. And then we've got reflectors, reflectors. These are like super rare, right? 1% Yeah. Okay. And so these are basically, we call them kind of like our collective mirrors in the context of business, we call them evaluators. And they're people that are so sensitive to their kind of like, physical environment and the people that they're around that they're basically taking in and magnifying other people's energy. So it is so important for them to be like such ruthless curators of who and where they're spending time because they're going to be taking all that energy. I'm also part of being a reflectors, embracing your fluidity, and you actually got a bit of this in your design, too. But this is like such a hallmark of being reflector. Just that like, you might have periods where like, I feel like a generator or like, I feel like a manifesting generator, like a manifester, or a projector, like your work is to not try to be just one thing, but to kind of embrace what feels authentic to you. And maybe that means you're like such a powerhouse do or one week and you like really needed sleep the next you know, or that fluidity, but also, I think your perspective as reflector is so valuable. So again, I think making sure you're really in spaces where it feels invited. And I think that in terms of entrepreneurship, I would plant yourself in a city and a space and around people that feel good, because you're going to magnify that energy maybe throughout like a very entrepreneurial community. So you're gonna like can elevate that within yourself. And I would also make sure you have support and maybe not just like one partnership, but maybe like kind of filtering through different partnerships as healthy. And also as much as you can kind of honoring that ebb and flow of your energy. I think the reflectors also work particularly well in groups in terms of like, whether it's guiding groups or group talks, whatever it is, but there's such a gift there.

Kate Kordsmeier 19:33

Yeah. You know, there's that expression, I'm gonna butcher it. I can't remember. But something like people that are highly sensitive, what does that term? Do you know what I'm talking about? Or there's like a whole book on like, it's highly empathic or sensitive.

Erin Claire Jones 19:48

HSP though, just Yeah, yeah. Yeah,

Kate Kordsmeier 19:51

I think that's it. Do you feel like that is kind of what a reflector is?

Erin Claire Jones 19:56

Such a good question, and no, but it's mostly Cuz like, basically, when you look at a human design chart, you're and they can be, by the way, but I think any type can be like, I would say, you probably feel that way. You know what I mean? Like, I think when you look at a human design chart, you'll see areas that are white, and areas that are colored in, the areas that are white are the areas where you're kind of the most open and sensitive and receptive to other people's energy. Because that can be actually a little bit overwhelming. Like, why I say you might be is that like, you've got a wide open emotional center. So you're probably like, very sensitive to what other people are feeling, you know, which is like such a gift, but can also be like extraordinarily overwhelming, right? What makes a reflector reflectors that every single one of their centers is open, you know, so they're, they're taking energy from all places, but they often can't have a natural barrier, you know, but I think it requires that they take like plenty of time alone and plenty of space to just like, kind of release the stuff that's out there. So I think it's possible, but I think it would be possible for every day, gotcha. Okay, very cool.

Kate Kordsmeier 20:54

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So you mentioned to team and I really want to get into like how we can figure out if you are an entrepreneur who has a team already, like how to get the best work and keep your people as happy and in their like flow as possible. So let's start there, because I have like seven other follow up questions. But one of the things you said so I have a couple projectors on my team. And one of them actually used to be a full time employee. And you know, there's, it's a longer story than this. But we moved her to part time after she figured out that she was a projector and a couple other things happened. And everything got so much better. And she was just like, I'm not meant to work eight hours a day, like I just do it. And so she was happier, the work was better. Like I was happy, like everything got better. So I'm wondering if there are other things like that, or if you've heard, you know, some things, or in terms of looking at team members. And

Erin Claire Jones 23:47

yeah, I was just reading an email about this today. I think that like the I got an A human design because of the potential with teams. You know, like, I love the individual work, I work with so many individuals like it, I am so passionate about that. But I also came from like plenty of dysfunctional team environments. And I think that like and they were amazing startups, you know, doing amazing things. But like people just didn't put the effort to really understand each other. And that showed, you know, and so when I think I discovered Amazon, I was like, Oh my gosh, like, this could be the most transformational for teams, because honestly, we get really tripped up when we kind of expected anyone to be more similar to us or even different than what they are. And I think what human design does is helps us understand our own unique, that's because it's the tool, the kind of tools to really understand and appreciate the differences of those around us, whether it is our kids, our partners, our colleagues. So the team stuff is amazing. I've been working with so many teams recently and it's just like, it's often validating stuff they already know, but like they haven't really allowed, you know, it gives them tools to step into. So like I would say super high level. There's so many other pieces of your design that would speak to this but like, if you have a manifester in your team, like it would be so important to like give them just like a lot of freedom and a lot of control like and not tell them what to do. Like I find they often thrive when they're just like given a domain to be in charge of it. Like you're in charge of this thing, do it your way and just like Keep me updated and have a really clear kind of consistent channel communication because part of manifester strategy is around keeping the people around them informed of what they're doing. Like I'm going to structure this project I'm coming home late, whatever it is informing allows them to kind of feel more supported by the people around them. Very. Yeah, makes sense. Yeah, I would say for projectors on your team, you know, yes, their energy is going to operate and ebbs and flows, it doesn't mean that they're going to be like any less effective, but I would encourage them to like take breaks and take rest when they need. Also projectors thrive when we feel like incredibly recognized and invited in. So I would do whatever you can in authentic way to just like verbally affirm, and invite in your projector to like, do their thing, like really make an effort to recognize them, that opens the door for so much.

Kate Kordsmeier 25:47

That's so interesting, too, because it just reminded me of the five love languages. And the to my team are both words of affirmation. So

I go, Oh, my God,

that makes so much sense. And, yeah, I mean, I feel like you have to do it in a genuine way. But once I knew, oh, like me mailing you gifts and surprises and stuff, like that's not going to make you feel appreciated. But when I just like, come to you and say or call you out in a team meeting and say, like you're doing so well, I'm like, this looked amazing, this turned out great. And really recognize them like that, like, they feel so good.

Erin Claire Jones 26:21

It's the most meaningful and it just like opens the door. You know, when we don't feel recognized as projectors, we can just get like really bitter and feel like undervalued. You know, it just it really does. And I think even in meetings, like inviting them in to share their perspective be like, you know, I'd love to hear what you have to say like, what do you think you know, and like, whereas you might try with more specific questions, I projected they're gonna thrive with more open ended questions, you know, so just kind of getting in that space. Yeah. And then so then we got reflectors. And, you know, I would say, if you ever reflect on your team know that, like, it's a rarity, and it's amazing, like, whenever I've had to reflect on my team, I'm just like, asking them questions all the time. I'm like, What do you think about this, I want to do this because like, I always think companies like they're so ideally suited for like the CEO whisperer, where they can just be next to you like whispering all the things that they see, they kind of like higher level perspective on what's going on. So I would really make sure that you are leveraging and inviting in their perspective, because they're so sensitive to their space, I would really make sure like, their office feels good, or wherever they're working, feels good and do whatever you can to support that. They often thrive when they can, can move their energy around and not be kind of super confined and like one team or one way of working all the time, because they are such fluid beings. And also I would pay attention to how they're showing that like reflectors are real mirror. So like, if they're feeling really like disappointed and frustrated, like they're probably mirroring back what's happening in the team in general, you know what I mean? So like, whereas if they're like, really, like, overjoyed and excited and energized, like, that's also a reflection of what's going on. So like, you really can get a sense of how a team is doing or community or family just by how the reflector saw.

Kate Kordsmeier 27:50

This, I don't know the answer to this, because she's a newer team member. And I haven't had her do this yet. But hearing this, I'm like, I really think my new director of operations is a reflector, because that is so like, that just feels like describing her to a tee. Yeah, so saying, I love to see whisper. Like,

Erin Claire Jones 28:07

that's perfect. I know, it's like, it's so funny, because I had a client, a reflector client, maybe, like four years ago that we had a session. And she was so funny, because I told her that and she was like, how do I apply for that job, you know, and then like, she called me, like, maybe five months ago, she's like, I got the job. You don't I mean, like, because basically, now she's just like consulting for all these startups. And that's exactly what they look to her for. And I, like, when we honor kind of our strategy, and our way of doing like, things will just kind of end up in the right place. Rather than trying to, like, make it happen or force it. And then I would say, for working with generators, if you have a generator on your team, you know, I would just make sure that like, you know, they feel so satisfied by lit up by what they're doing. You know, it might not be 100%, they're probably gonna be some tasks that are annoying for them. But like, as long as it's like, you know, mostly or primarily, like, that's going to be the thing that makes them such an asset to the team and kind of powers everyone around them. Somewhat. We've talked about, like, you know, I think that it's good to ask them those specific Yes, no questions to help them really connect to like, what they feel about something, there are going to be aspects of our design that speak to whether or not we like, like to be in meetings, or more independent, or whether we're more collaborative, you know, so whereas like you're a little bit more collaborative, it doesn't mean that you like to be in meetings all the time, but like being around other people can be really activating for you. Or for some people just can feel like super annoying, and like really gonna mess up their flow. So just knowing that is really useful. And then I would say, for manifesting generators on your team, like, you know, their gift is moving fast. So I think like creating a space for them to move fast because we all benefit from that for like the right ideas, but again, like not really holding them to like have to do all the details and like bringing them support when they can and also given a lot of them a lot of freedom like manifesting generators can be like a little bit just bored if they're doing like the same thing every day. And so I think that like feeling stimulated by lots of different things. And just like that kind of freedom throughout the day is really powerful.

Kate Kordsmeier 29:52

So smart. I feel like this could be such a game changer. So if you are an entrepreneur looking to grow a team, maybe it's Your first hire, maybe it's your third hire? Do you feel like it's better to look for people that have the same type as you or a different type?

Erin Claire Jones 30:08

I wouldn't generally say different, but it's kind of like, piece by piece. It's kind of case by case. Yeah, I think that like, we, if you would have taught me anything, it's just that like, we need each other. You know what I mean? Having a team of like, all manifesting generators is like, amazing, because they're gonna have lots of energy, but like, a lot of balls are gonna get dropped maybe in the right directions. You know, I've worked with those teams. So I think that like, it depends on what stage you're at, I would say of like your projector, you're probably really gonna want to have like a generator or a manifesting generator in the door. I know, if you're a generator, you might want more generators, more manifesting generators, but maybe like a projector down the line. You know, depending on the role, it might be really nice to have a manifest or maybe you'd like God to bigger size, and reflector be great. You know. So it is kind of case by case I will say most teams that I work with are primarily similar to the reflection of the general population generators and manifesting generators. You know, like one team that I've worked with for a while they're like all like kind of an even split between the two and they just are the first projector. Okay?

Kate Kordsmeier 31:01

Do you feel like generators and manifesting generators feel slowed down by projectors, just because they're if their thing is, speed, and projectors are like, I need to take it slow and take lots of breaks.

Erin Claire Jones 31:13

I don't think so as long as they're like not expecting them to keep up. Because honestly, projectors can actually move very fast, but it's gonna be a burst. Yeah, it's gonna be like, first raspberry thrusts. So, okay, I think that like, I always say, if you're like a manifesting generator manager, like, if you expect your team to keep up with you, you're gonna be like, incredibly disappointed, you know? But I think that so No, I don't think necessarily, but I think that requires that you really kind of recognize and value the projector for like, what they do best, which might not be like how quickly they can do things, right? We're just like, I love their perspective of the team, like, let me or you know, I love their like way of managing people, whatever it is. So I think just kind of like, that's why that recognition and invitation piece is so key, because if you're expecting them to be more similar, it's really challenging.

Kate Kordsmeier 31:54

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's interesting, because when one of my the projectors on my team, when I learned to as a projector was like, that makes total sense. Like, everything about that is so hard. And then the other one, I think, because these two women were so different that when I learned she was also a projector, it was like, wait a minute, but I think what you said of the burst is exactly what it was. And that I noticed, like, even you could see, I knew what hour she was working during the day because everything would come in, and then she would go away for a while, and then everything would come You know, so it's like, which is totally fine. I mean, we're both team so it was like, I don't care what hours you're working like just you know.


along the same lines, do you feel like there's certain types of jobs or types of tasks that are better suited to different types? Or Yeah, like I'm thinking are there you'd be best to have people like on your C level of things like managers or directors and people who are like, overseeing strategy but maybe not doing an implementing a lot look for this, or something like that. You know,

Erin Claire Jones 33:05

I say like a little bit I'm always like a little bit hesitant there because I don't want people to feel like oh my god, like I'm a Jenner. I can't do this or a projection I can't do this. Like I really do believe anything, anything is possible as long as you kind of shape the container you know, in a way that works for you. Like a manifesting generator CEO is gonna be super different than like a projector CEO or manifester CEO. I will say that like projectors, like they really like their gift is often in guiding and leading teams like rather than kind of being in it doing all the things okay and not all projectors are want to be managers or even be excited about that. But I do get like that's often I work with a lot of projectors and I felt this personally where it's a little bit challenging earlier in their career where they don't have that kind of like ability to oversee or leader guide and that's a really natural place for them. So definitely for projectors for sure that way I think projector is a manifesting generators. I mean, I think it's anything is possible in every role. I think they're just going to do it differently. I think any role could be in the C suite or CEO or whatever as long as they're doing in a way that aligns with our design you know, and the same thing for like entry level VA

Kate Kordsmeier 34:05

is an admin type tasks like anybody

Erin Claire Jones 34:08

could bring so i think so like there you know it just like I would just mentioned like as a generator Are you lit up by that thing? You know, like as a manifesting generator Do you feel supported in the details? like can you like move fast? Can you be in your own creative flow like as a projector Do you feel really recognized like maybe you feel really recognized as a CEO or maybe as a VA like and you feel like you're able to like really honor the ebbs and flows of your energy like my manifest when you feel like really empowered and in control and like able to do things in your own flow. And do you also feel like you can hand things off when when you need to, like as a reflector like also to feel recognized but you feel like you're able to kind of like honor the ebbs and flows of your energy does a space feel good? Do you feel like seen for who you are you feel invited in to share your perspective. So like, I would focus a little bit more like those kind of like alignment questions rather than like blanket, they can do this or not.

Kate Kordsmeier 34:56

Gotcha. Okay, that makes total sense. I know everybody always wants like a Black and White answer and something of like what you need to make sure that the next VA you hire is a projector and the next you know, this person is this and that and it's like, not that straightforward.

Erin Claire Jones 35:10

I'm saying I get it, you know, I even have clients that I'm only going to hire people that to find ego, I'm going to only hire people with this and like, you know, people are going to do what they want. But I just think that I don't want to be in the position where I'm limiting people. Like, I want them to know how to best support the people that they're with and the people that they're partnering with, and like parents, but I don't want them to leave me like, Oh, my God, I can't do this, or I can't do this. Like, I just don't think it's useful.

Kate Kordsmeier 35:30

Right. Okay. So I know, we've been talking mostly about types so far. Can we look at the authority? And what is your authority? And why is it so important? And kind of then apply some of these same questions to authority?

Erin Claire Jones 35:44

Yeah, so the authority is around how we're designed to make decisions and why it's so important as we're making decisions every day, you know, and so, and most of us are trying to, like create a like pro con list and like, rationalize why we should or should not do a certain thing. And I think that authority and Human Design is very much just like tapping us into a deeper knowing that we can really use to guide our decisions. And again, super useful to just know what the authority is other people around you whether you're living with them or working with them. And you know, there are going to be a lot of people that are what we call emotional authorities. So that I'm an emotional projector. There can be emotional generators, manifesting generators, manifestos, and it basically means that like, for those big decisions, we are not meant to make decisions quickly. And clarity comes with time. And fasting that we can do when you make a decision is to sleep on it by yourself as much time as possible. So while you might have a little bit more instantaneous clarity in your design, there might be some people in your design or people that you're like, married to or friends with, I just like need a bit more time. So I think it's really useful to auto that however you can.

Kate Kordsmeier 36:43

Okay, interesting. And I mean, we talked about I have the sacred authority, which is like ask me yes or no questions. I have a very like, guttural response. I feel like to things like audible were like, ah, or, you know, something like that. So there's sacred, there's emotional,

Erin Claire Jones 37:03

and then go self projected mental and lunar. Okay. So the emotional is take your time, say girl like you is got response in the moment responds best to kind of instantaneous questions. As soon as they get responses there, go for it, you probably cannot explain it. You know, if you're not going to clear a full body gut response that I mean, that is not the right thing or not the right time yet. You know, my partner submit to you. And he's always just like, now we're not now, you know, I mean, like, it doesn't mean like, I want to do it in a week. But it's like, now we're not now I make it a yes or no. Yeah.

Kate Kordsmeier 37:35

Yeah, cuz sometimes, like when I first learned I had the sacral authority. I was like, sometimes I don't know what my gut response is, though. And so it sounds like what I'm hearing you say is that if I don't know, it's like, you're not meant to make the decision right now.

Erin Claire Jones 37:48

Exactly. Because it is as much a tool to help you know where to put your energy as it is a tool to help you know when to actually put it there. It's everything. So just like not yet, not yet. Now, let's go, you know, there are split, which is basically also very spontaneous, these people are meant to make decisions like super instantaneously, as soon as they kind of get an intuitive knowing. It's not that kind of visceral gut response that shows up for you. But it's more like a whisper that they hear like resonance with something or not tingles that they feel, and it just like it disappears as quickly as opposed. So it's often really good for those people to get really quiet so they can actually hear it. their ego decision makers, which is basically all about making decisions based on their heart and their desire and what they have the energy for, and also really making sure decisions like take care of them. So it's always useful to ask themselves like, well, this is truly take care of me and my needs, like whether it's compensation, whatever it is, there are self projected decision makers and for these people, basically, their truth comes when they go to voice to the best that they can do is surround themselves with people that they trust and just talk things out, you know, and kind of see how it feels when it comes out of their mouth. Met decision makers, which also talk things out but often in a few different spaces in places that feel good and kind of just again, pay attention to how it feels. And then lunar or reflector decision makers are designed to give themselves a full 28 to 30 days before they make a big decision. This stuff 30 days for every decision I know that is not often realistic or feasible. But I think what I always remind reflectors is just like just take your time and know that you might need a little bit more time to reach clarity than the people around you. So just like otter your process rather than trying to keep up you know, because they kind of go through this period of like sampling all the different options to kind of really land on what's correct for them.

Kate Kordsmeier 39:27

Can you be like a generator with lunar authority? No, no. So

Erin Claire Jones 39:33

lunar is only possible for reflectors mentors only causal for projectors and if you look it up, it will actually say non self projected only for projectors. Ego projectors. manifester, splenic projectors manifester is sacred generators are manifesting generators and emotional every type of reflectors. So if you are a generator, you can either be sacral or emotional.

Kate Kordsmeier 39:54

Okay, interesting. I didn't realize that I was thinking it was sort of like an endless combination of things, but Then when you said explained the lunar, I was like, Well, I don't feel like you could be. Yeah,

yeah. Okay.

So how can we apply this to our businesses? for anybody who's listening? Like, how can we take

Erin Claire Jones 40:14

that decision making? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, honestly making decisions every day, you know. So I think for you, for example, like with that seguro piece, like, I would like you're doing, always connected to your gut response and make sure that you're like having the people around, you ask you very specific Yes, questions, you should not be able to rationalize your decisions. So if you find yourself being like, we should

do that. I want to be able to rationalize,

like, you could probably create a reason for it. But you could create a reason for the other side, too, which is why it's not super reliable. So I think making sure they got no one is guiding everything. I did a team session last week with like, four sacred generators. So like for people with very similar designs to you, and they would get in the meeting, like in their heads and just like, circle around a thing, and they were so disconnected from their guy, you know, so just like, it actually can be so much more efficient. When it's like, let me just ask you in a way that I'll know your gut response. Yeah, you know, I think if you're emotional, like, I would take your time, I would give yourself at least like even, like 24 hours, I think, if you make a decision have a really heightened emotional place, even, it's just like responding to an email, you're probably going to regret it. So like, I just buy myself time as much as I can. Even if it's a couple hours a day, a two, three, like I just like, land in such a clear, calmer place. And that's always the right place for me to make a decision from. And so I would say if you have emotional people on your team, I would encourage them to just like, take a beat, because they might be like, Sure, let's do it, like I'll take it on. And the next day, they're like, I don't want to do it anymore. You know, so just like giving them a beat at the outset to make sure it's the right, like the right commitment in the first place. You know, another example, if you have a self projected decision maker, like I would, you know, knowing that they talk things out, like I would create the space for them, I would be great listener for them out, ask them questions, I would like really let them just like, say it out through their like voice and see how it feels when it comes out. So I think when you know what it is you can both like, create space for the person to honor that thing. But you can also like, help them access it. You know what I mean? Where it's like sleep on it. Let me ask you specific questions, let me invite you to talk things out. So I think it's just like, when the people around us know, our designs, it's so powerful because they hold us accountable. And they kind of remind us of our getting out of alignment like so I think that it's such a powerful thing for teams to know about each other.

Kate Kordsmeier 42:19

Yeah, it really is.

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Erin Claire Jones 45:03

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Kate Kordsmeier 45:39

So you mentioned before, open and and having an open center, what does it mean to have undefined or open versus defined centers?

Erin Claire Jones 45:49

Yes. So the Define centers are going to be the colored in areas in your chart, if you're reflector, you won't have any of them. If you're any other type, you will, you could have two, you could have nine. And so basically, what that means is those are the areas where you're kind of drawing your consistent energy from and the things that are operating in a more kind of reliable way, and also where you're projecting your energy out into the world. So for you, you've got a really strong gut, a really strong intuition, a really strong drive a really powerful voice that are really kind of powerful mind. And just like way of conceptualizing things that kind of like sharing your opinions and inspirations with the world. That's where your energy specifically operates more consistently, you can be super off track in those areas. But you can also like, be really on track where it's like, okay, like, I'm really lit up and excited in my gut, therefore, everyone around me is gonna feel so energized right now. Right? Okay. And in the areas that are white and open are basically the areas where you are the most open and there could be undefined or open. There's like a slight nuance here. I don't think it's gonna be super useful for your audience. It's just like whether or not there's a gate or not, which is like, is it totally open? Or is there a filter for it. But basically, these are the areas where you are the most sensitive kind of taking in other people's energy. This is a really powerful area to dive into in teams, because these are areas where you can get super off track and super overwhelmed because you're getting lost and other people's stress, emotions, ideas, like and the wisdom and the and the lesson of the center's like learning how to work with it in a place that allows you to become wise and leverage it, but to not kind of like, yeah, just get lost in it. So like an example for you is you've got a really open emotional center. So that could really be a shadow. If you feel like overwhelmed with both stuff. You're trying to fix it all. Like, you know, you're avoiding confrontation, you're not fully expressing your truth. And like, the wisdom of the center is very much around being like the emotional barometer routine, like you know where people are, you can tune into it, but also releasing the pressure to kind of fix on it fix everything. Right? Oh, right. Another example for you is you've got an open head Center, which means that you can have like all the ideas in the world and be like, incredibly inspired. But you also might be like a little bit scattered, if you're just like trying to pursue them all and like bouncing from one institution to another. So like, for your design, having very simple lists, I gotta keep you on track is going to be essential. Because if not like, you could probably go in any direction.

Kate Kordsmeier 47:51

Yeah, yeah, that resonates for sure. And something you said before, too, which I'm thinking was about a different type. Maybe it was manifesting generators or manifestos of like pivoting a lot that oh, my God, I'm all in on coaching. And then you switch and you know, now I'm all in on courses. No, no, I'm all in on this or whatever. And I always say, like, regardless of your type, that that's kind of the beauty of an online business is like, it's so easy to pivot and evolve. You don't have to, you know, change your entire brick and mortar and crazy things like that. But I'm wondering if Yeah, that that part, too. I'm kind of losing my train of thought with what my question is kind of, you know, having too many thoughts too many ideas in my head.

Erin Claire Jones 48:32

But all of it, you know, was you're wondering whether there's a question about the pivot. No, but what were

Kate Kordsmeier 48:38

you saying right, before I interrupted you about pivoting,

Erin Claire Jones 48:41

I was talking about the open head center. But I think with the pivoting piece, you know, it's really, that in some ways, this can be true for all of us, you know, especially as an entrepreneur, but I do think that, like, it's very much Human Design kind of reminds us to just like, go with the energy, you know, so like, it's best for manifesting generators and generators, it's like, go with what you have the energy for you, right? If you are done with a thing, like, rather be like, I'm gonna stick with it. I could just like giving yourself permission to kind of move on. Yeah, okay.

Kate Kordsmeier 49:08

Yeah, that was around what I was going to say is, I think something to pivoting and like giving yourself that permission, and that it's okay. And like, you can make one decision and no, it doesn't have to be forever.

Erin Claire Jones 49:19

Yes. It's just like, I'm gonna make the decision that's crushed for me in the moment. And I trust that like, by doing that, making, like aligned decisions, like every next step will unfold. Which kind of goes back to what we're talking about earlier, where it's like, an even when I think about my own journey, and like, I could not have predicted where it was gonna take me, you know, I like and but it was, I like every decision that I made felt right, and felt like unknown, but I also just, like, kept doing that. So I think that often people are like, what is my purpose? Like, what am I meant to do with my life? And I'm like, my intention is never to tell you that thing. Because I honestly don't know like, you're going to be the only one that knows. Like, I think what I can offer you is like, how are you going to operate best? What are the things that you can use to kind of make this decisions, create the right opportunities for yourself, leverage your strengths, all those things, but like, it's only by doing that, like one step at a time that like a path just emerges and unfolds, you know, so I don't think we can really force any of it. It's just like, let's just do the most aligned, courageous thing in the moment and trust the rest will happen.

Kate Kordsmeier 50:14

Yeah, I love that.

I love that.

Well, let's finish talking about centers. And then I have a question for you about not self and how that can relate to Team too.

Erin Claire Jones 50:23

Well, I say that's kind of the highlight of centers just so you guys know what the centers are like, whether it's open or define, like, you know, we've got the drive this the gut, the intuition, the emotions, the ego, the identity, the communication, your kind of mind, how you conceptualize things, and also where you receive inspiration. Another powerful area to dive into in teams is kind of understanding the dynamic between those centers. So like, say, I have a defined emotional center, which I do, it means that I project out my emotions, meaning that like, if I'm feeling good, the people around me feel great. If I'm not, they feel it too. Whereas even open emotional center, so like, if I'm in a terrible mood, and we're in the same space, you're going to probably take it and feel all my stuff, you know, and so it's really useful to understand that dynamic in relationship or on teams just so it's like, Okay, I'm actually really emotionally impactful, like, are impactful with my emotion. So let me just kind of like ride out my emotional wave alone and know when to be around other people. Whereas like, for your design, I would say you actually project out your stress. So if you're getting super stressed, probably go to ride that out on your own, like, sweat it out, and then go kind of offer guidance to your team. Mm hmm. Okay, that's

Kate Kordsmeier 51:24

really Yeah, I think that's so important, too. Sometimes I feel like you I can, we can go to a team meeting. And if people have low energy, it brings my energy down. And I'm like, everyone is so low energy today. Now, I just feel really, like slow and sluggish. Whereas somebody like you, who has a defined center might be able to say, I came to a meeting that was low energy, and I got everybody's energy up.

Erin Claire Jones 51:47

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And also, we all have different defined areas. You know, like, if you're really lit up and satisfied, you're going to give everyone energy. You know, when I'm in a good mood, I want to give everyone energy. So it's all like, we all kind of do it in different ways. Right? Okay. So, yeah, it's just so important to know, like, I haven't managed a woman once, who is like, her design is so much I like only doing things when she's in the mood. And like, when she's not in the mood to like, come into a meeting, I bet this is not gonna work, like, like, we will reschedule. But it was just so nice to honor that because like, I didn't make her wrong for it. I was just like, Yeah, I know, this won't be effective unless you are in the mood. Because when you're in the mood, it's like magic. So let me just create some space for us to flow and create that opportunity for us to do it in the right time.

Kate Kordsmeier 52:26


I love that. So

smart. So that brings me to this not self question that I've been thinking about too, which I think you know, as you start working with more people managing a team, it's really hard. I mean, it's certainly been hiring, firing, retaining, keeping everybody like that is the hardest part of my business right now. And yeah, and so, you know, not that there's like drama necessarily, but sometimes, like, you can tell somebody on the team is pissed, or they're not happy about something or they're, they're not lit up by their work. And so I'm thinking about this not self theme and wondering if that's like a good way to to diagnose problems on the team, maybe before your team members even saying like, Hey, I have a problem that you could kind of pick up on it beforehand.

Erin Claire Jones 53:11

Totally, yes. 100%. So, you know, the not self theme in Human Design is basically the signal that reveals whether we're off track. And so you know, so for generators and manifesting generators, it's frustration, kind of like resentment, dissatisfaction in the work that you're doing. For projectors, it's bitterness, not feeling recognized, not feeling appreciated. manifests with anger, often their flow is disrupted, they can't do things how they want. And for reflectors is disappointment. Which is often just like kind of be a thing with or not, or being in the wrong space. So you know, more like small moments of bitterness, frustration, anger, they'll pop up for sure. But like when it becomes the overwhelming feeling and an area of your life, whether it's a project or at work or at home, like it basically means it's like an invitation to step back and really reevaluate, just like what is still the right place for me. And to like, Can I just like maybe show up differently here? Like, how can I do it differently? like am I lit up by this thing? am I waiting for it to come to me and I trusted my gut and kind of say you're a generator or a manifesting generator, like wading through your gut to pull you back in? So yeah, I was like you have like a generator on your team is like massively frustrated all the time. That's a real thing to investigate. If you have a projector that's like, so better, I would just really check and be like, do they feel recognized to feel appreciated? Do they go invited and like, anger? It's like, how can I give them more flow as a manifester? more freedom more control? So, yeah, I think it'd be worth a conversation because it doesn't always mean it's like the wrong place for them. But it does, it really is kind of an opportunity to really reevaluate whether it really is the right thing for them. Right, right. Totally. Okay,

Kate Kordsmeier 54:37

this is so helpful. Anything else? When it comes to team I know, we didn't even really touch on profile? I don't know if you feel like I'm sure that that's also an important piece to look at.

Erin Claire Jones 54:48

Yeah, I think that like the, you know, there's so much I would say other things that are useful to look at in the context of teams when looking at people's channels, which are just like what are their innate strengths and how can they really leverage them. And also the profile, which is like how do you kind of best manifest your purpose. So like, you know, some people might be natural investigators. So they've got to really like go deep. And so if you like, ask them to do something the next day and don't give them time to like, prepare and become an expert in it, it's probably really annoying for them, you know, I mean, challenging for them. There's some people that are here to learn by doing and experimenting and making mistakes. And so as a manager, you would want to make sure to give them like as much freedom as you can to just like, make mistakes and knowing that, like, that's how they learn, they don't really hear like do things perfectly the first time, like somebody like you with a Thor is like, it's all about like community network, like having personal relationships with the people that you work with kind of really cultivating and nurturing those relationships is going to be key. So you're somebody that has a five, we say, in your profile, like, these people are like such natural problem solvers, but it's really easy to project things onto them, like they're going to be this kind of employee or that solve this problem. And so I would make sure that you're really kind of checking yourself, if you're like, projecting a lot onto your fives, you know, making sure that what you're projecting actually feels in alignment with who they are. So that's another really powerful area to dive into with teams. And then finally, you know, you know, we're talking about looking at everybody's individual charts, but they're also layer are layers where you can layer all the charts on top of each other, and start to get a sense of like, where the gaps are. So like, I look at a team, and it's like, wow, there's a real gap. And like, you know, vision doesn't mean that, like, there's no vision, but it does mean that, like, there's might not be clarity around it. And you might spend all your time talking about vision, I mean, whereas if you like, find somebody that carries that it was just like activated and everyone, you know, I think it is just kind of really, also understanding what those gaps are. So you can feel them, because that's just like, allows the team to be so much more functional. So there's so much but you know, I think, look at the individual level, then kind of the team level. And then also you can look at the one on one partnership level, like how best to work with each individual and what you might kind of be triggering or inspiring each other. Yeah.

Kate Kordsmeier 56:52

So for anybody listening, like, what's the next steps for them? If they whether they have just a part time VA, or a team of 10? Like, how can they incorporate this into their, into their team.

Erin Claire Jones 57:04

So one, you know, I would definitely start by diving into your design to make sure that you're operating in alignment with it, that's always gonna be the first step, I have a few offerings to do that. One offer is called the blueprint, which is the most accessible one. And that basically is a 30 Plus page guide, a written guide to your unique design. And it kind of just like, walks you through all the key pieces, not in a way to teach you Human Design, but rather be like, what are the keys of your design that you need to know to like to operate in alignment, your type, your open centers, your channels, your profile, all that stuff? And I make each one of those. So that's a great place to start. And we can do a discount code for your audience if you'd like. Yeah, that'd be awesome. What is their code that you like using,

Kate Kordsmeier 57:40

let's just use SW s, that would be Success with Soul. Okay,

Erin Claire Jones 57:43

SW s. And then it'd be useful to get the blueprints for the people on your team. A lot of people get blueprints for lt, which I love. And then also I do individual sessions, partnerships, team sessions. So like when you're ready to dive in, I would definitely recommend that as a way to kind of just like, really understand everyone you're working with and how best to support them. I also offer a workshop that also did things but I would say on the team level, starting with a blueprints and then kind of booking either an individual partnership or team session for sure.

Kate Kordsmeier 58:09

And what is the team session look like? Like I'm just thinking, if I have three employees that I want to bring to a team session, like what

Erin Claire Jones 58:15

would that look like? Yeah, so it's, I have an offer called dynamics. And it basically is a two hour deep dive, I usually recommend this one for teams under 10. I have offerings for teams that are bigger than that. But like teams that are time where we just basically dive deep into like, okay, like what is ever desired, how can we best support them and just like basically give you tools to know how best to like, align with your own design and working relationship with the others, but also how best to kind of support and honor the people around you. And what I love about this team stuff is we often use, like a lot of examples are like, well, this happened in a meeting last weekend, this was, you know, what I mean? where she's like, we're able to kind of work through all that stuff, your lens of Human Design. And yeah, that I think is like a beautiful place to start. It also comes with like a massive PDF that kind of walks you through all the key pieces as a way that you can, like always return to it. But it's a really powerful kind of first step to just really acquaint you with like what you need to know about each person and how to work with them effectively.

Kate Kordsmeier 59:08

Cool. Okay, and so where can everybody find you and continue following along with your work and maybe sign up for the blueprint or a team session or anything else?

Erin Claire Jones 59:17

Yeah, so I'm Erin Claire Jones everywhere. I share a lot of Instagram @ErinClaireJones, my website is The blueprint is there just as our individual sessions. Team session stuff is not on my website, there are links for who just messaged me on Instagram or send me an email and I'm happy to send you guys a link directly.

Kate Kordsmeier 59:37

Okay, perfect. And we'll include links to all of that in the show notes for anybody listening. Okay, to finish up, we do our quick lightning round of questions. So we'll start with what is your favorite way to make time for self care while running your own business?

Erin Claire Jones 59:53

Oh, gosh, you know, I think that I'm always I'm always learning how to do better. I think that like I think the best practices for me are just like creating real boundaries for myself, like, these are the practices I do in the morning. You know, I write, I meditate. And like before I can turn on my phone, I do any of those things. But I think also just like I really try to carve out space, to just like, go on walks, and not do much. I think that I used to feel like everything had to be productive. And I think now I just like give myself permission to do nothing. And also as a projector to really honor my energy, like, when it's not there, it's like, Okay, I'm done. You know what I mean? Like, when that energy comes back, I'll be available for but I can't force it. So I think really being tuned into that as well.

Kate Kordsmeier 1:00:33

Yeah, and I'm sure like trusting that the energy will come back as part of that too, because I know I can sometimes if I allow myself to rest, I go down that spiral of like, Oh, my God, I'm never gonna work again. It's like, No,

you come back to it.

Erin Claire Jones 1:00:48

Especially if you do grass, you know, CreateSpace.

Kate Kordsmeier 1:00:51

Exactly. Okay, do you have maybe that was the the answer to this too. But one tool or strategy that you use to help with time management.

Erin Claire Jones 1:01:01

I think that like I, the best thing that I do for that is I just like use a planner. So I just get like really clear on my priorities every day. And I also really try to create space in my days, I'm so like, vulnerable. There's like booking up every possible hour. And so I think that I just really have strong boundaries that like this is how many sessions I do this. These are the days that I do this is when I do my craft. So just I think that like, having that structure, I think has been really productive for me, because I just, like, have a lot of clarity on what I'm available for each day. You know, and I try as much as possible to get clear on those priorities. But I'm sure there are a bajillion ways that I could be doing better.

Kate Kordsmeier 1:01:34

Yeah. Okay. Got it. Um, any, like powerful one of your favorite business mindset, entrepreneurial books, or book design that you love?

Erin Claire Jones 1:01:49

Yeah, I mean, the Definitive Guide to Human Design is a great book. It's super dense. But it's like a nice way to kind of really get acquainted with stuff. I also like, you know, I don't know if you know, Ramit Sethi? Yeah. Like, I will teach you to be rich. He's like, I thought it for so long. But I just like, I really appreciate his approach. I think that I've learned a lot from him. Yeah, so he's, uh, he's just so systematic, so masterful in what he does, in a way that I'm not I don't aspire to be but I think that like, it's like, it's learning from those people. Yeah, for sure. Um,

Kate Kordsmeier 1:02:20

okay, let's talk mindset. Do you have a mantra or affirmation or a quote that you're telling yourself lately?

Erin Claire Jones 1:02:28

You know, I think my I like, wrote a poem A while ago, and my partner like, painted and and framed it about my bed. And it just says, like, and trust and trust and trust. It was like one line from the poem. But I think the mantra for me is always just like interest. It's like, I've got to do the things that feel like aligned. And like we talked about earlier, like courageous in the moment and just be in trust that like, that will allow me to kind of walk into whatever is next. So I think that was like always reminding myself to just like, know that I'm not meant to know the future, but like, I've just got to stay super aligned in this moment, and just trust that that's the way they're, yeah, so good.

Kate Kordsmeier 1:03:00

Okay, obviously, the podcast is called Success with Soul. What does Success with Soul mean to you?

Erin Claire Jones 1:03:06

Success with Soul I just to me, it feels like being successful in a way that like uniquely works for us and is like a unique expression of who we are. I just think that part of why I love Human Design is that it reminds us that we're going to do it differently. And so I think that it just feels like it's like how can we do these things in integrity with how we are who we are, you know, and I know that I've been like, so much more successful in business, like the minute I embrace the fact that I operated differently than I thought I was supposed to, and just like owned it, you know, and I think whenever I tried not to do that, I was just like, could not keep up. So I think I succeeded in a way that is so such a unique and authentic expression of who we are.

Kate Kordsmeier 1:03:43

Totally beautiful. Thanks so much, Erin. I loved having you

Erin Claire Jones 1:03:47

of course, thank you so much for having me.

Kate Kordsmeier 1:03:53

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